Comments on: RIAA Strikes RPI http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/ random and occassionally coherent musings Sun, 08 Feb 2009 07:38:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Jesse Jordan http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Jesse Jordan Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:36:55 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-22 <p>yes, this is in fact jesse, and all i would like to say is that anybody that has anything to say about anything should visit </p> <p><a href="http://phynd.chewplastic.com/bb" rel="nofollow">http://phynd.chewplastic.com/bb</a></p> <p>thanks</p> <p><b>Edited by Eric on 4/11/02:</b> Linked the URL for the sake of convenience.</p> yes, this is in fact jesse, and all i would like to say is that anybody that has anything to say about anything should visit

http://phynd.chewplastic.com/bb

thanks

Edited by Eric on 4/11/02: Linked the URL for the sake of convenience.

]]> By: Eric http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Eric Thu, 10 Apr 2003 07:03:39 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-21 <p>Yeah, I heard they found mp3 on the kids' systems. I've got a problem with the RIAA claiming the files were there so they could be shared on Phynd (ie, a Napster-style central server).</p> <p>Also, it looks like the RIAA is claiming that the students were responsible for every file on the network. The Detroit Free Press <a href="http://www.freep.com/money/tech/newman5_20030405.htm" rel="nofollow">article</a> says the RIAA is claiming roughly 652,000 songs were shared by the kid at Mighigan Tech. If you say that each mp3 is 4.5 MB (probably on the low side), that 2.5 TB of songs. I seriously doubt all that was on the guys computer.</p> <p>I don't think the RIAA has ever gone after individual traders, but that's essentially what they're doing here... except they're trying to claim the individual traders were also running Napster-like systems, so they should be responsible for <em>everybody's</em> files</p> Yeah, I heard they found mp3 on the kids’ systems. I’ve got a problem with the RIAA claiming the files were there so they could be shared on Phynd (ie, a Napster-style central server).

Also, it looks like the RIAA is claiming that the students were responsible for every file on the network. The Detroit Free Press article says the RIAA is claiming roughly 652,000 songs were shared by the kid at Mighigan Tech. If you say that each mp3 is 4.5 MB (probably on the low side), that 2.5 TB of songs. I seriously doubt all that was on the guys computer.

I don’t think the RIAA has ever gone after individual traders, but that’s essentially what they’re doing here… except they’re trying to claim the individual traders were also running Napster-like systems, so they should be responsible for everybody’s files

]]> By: Dave http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-20 Dave Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:38:44 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-20 <p>Unfortunately i've got to agree with that. It's too bad that they feel the need to destroy people's lives to "protect" their profits, esp when these people aren't providing the music. I do remember hearing that they also found a number of files being shared on the two guys' computers, and that may be what actually nips them in the rear.</p> Unfortunately i’ve got to agree with that. It’s too bad that they feel the need to destroy people’s lives to “protect” their profits, esp when these people aren’t providing the music. I do remember hearing that they also found a number of files being shared on the two guys’ computers, and that may be what actually nips them in the rear.

]]> By: Eric http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-19 Eric Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:18:40 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-19 <p>Dave, I don't think this is about the money, it's about sending a message. Furthermore, I think the message is "We will destroy you."</p> Dave, I don’t think this is about the money, it’s about sending a message. Furthermore, I think the message is “We will destroy you.”

]]> By: Dave http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Dave Thu, 10 Apr 2003 01:57:18 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-18 <p>As far as I remember, phynd was started my freshman year by some guy. I don't know if it was a thesis, but that I could find out. He graduated at the end of my sophmore year, and it was taken over by a good friend of mine. For the first half of my senior year it was run out of my apartment (i'm purposely not using names here). At that point the guy running it handed it off and graduated.</p> <p>I"ve been talking with him about it, and from what I gather the reason these two sites were went after is because they allowed searching from outside campus (just search, not download). Thus the RIAA was able to figure out what files were accessable.</p> <p>This is important, because they cant go to campus and use the campus search engines from on campus because they have no legal right to use those computing resources, thus anything they find is inadmissable in court.</p> <p>I've no idea what they are planning on doing with these students, but i think they will probably try to settle. They cant get much from them money wise.</p> As far as I remember, phynd was started my freshman year by some guy. I don’t know if it was a thesis, but that I could find out. He graduated at the end of my sophmore year, and it was taken over by a good friend of mine. For the first half of my senior year it was run out of my apartment (i’m purposely not using names here). At that point the guy running it handed it off and graduated.

I”ve been talking with him about it, and from what I gather the reason these two sites were went after is because they allowed searching from outside campus (just search, not download). Thus the RIAA was able to figure out what files were accessable.

This is important, because they cant go to campus and use the campus search engines from on campus because they have no legal right to use those computing resources, thus anything they find is inadmissable in court.

I’ve no idea what they are planning on doing with these students, but i think they will probably try to settle. They cant get much from them money wise.

]]> By: Eric http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Eric Sun, 06 Apr 2003 08:58:05 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-17 <p>Sal, I have almost no idea why Phynd was started --- it was running before I even got to RPI. I was elsewhere my freshman year and a friend at RPI told me about Phynd.</p> <p>As for going after Jesse and Aaron, they're the most convenient targets. The fellow who started Phynd is long gone and probably has means to somewhat defend himself against a lawsuit. College kids are easy targets. If all the RIAA wanted to do was shut down Phynd, they could have threatened to sue. Very few people have the means or the desire to take on an organization like the RIAA. The RIAA wants to let everybody know they're "serious," so they want to use Jesse and Aaron as sacrificial lambs.</p> <p>Obviously, I have no information about why the RIAA is doing this, but I suspect they'd prefer a trial to a sealed out of court settlement. A court victory would give them another weapon for threatening others.</p> Sal, I have almost no idea why Phynd was started — it was running before I even got to RPI. I was elsewhere my freshman year and a friend at RPI told me about Phynd.

As for going after Jesse and Aaron, they’re the most convenient targets. The fellow who started Phynd is long gone and probably has means to somewhat defend himself against a lawsuit. College kids are easy targets. If all the RIAA wanted to do was shut down Phynd, they could have threatened to sue. Very few people have the means or the desire to take on an organization like the RIAA. The RIAA wants to let everybody know they’re “serious,” so they want to use Jesse and Aaron as sacrificial lambs.

Obviously, I have no information about why the RIAA is doing this, but I suspect they’d prefer a trial to a sealed out of court settlement. A court victory would give them another weapon for threatening others.

]]> By: Sal http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Sal Sun, 06 Apr 2003 08:25:35 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-16 <p>Phynd has been running for years at RPI. Wasn't it done for a Masters' thesis? It's like Google, not Napster. It seems that at least one of the RPI kids, Jesse Jordan, is a freshman. Phynd was there before he was- how could the RIAA claim he created it?</p> Phynd has been running for years at RPI. Wasn’t it done for a Masters’ thesis? It’s like Google, not Napster. It seems that at least one of the RPI kids, Jesse Jordan, is a freshman. Phynd was there before he was- how could the RIAA claim he created it?

]]> By: Eric http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Eric Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:02:26 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-15 <p>I'm pretty sure RPI provides some basic legal services, but I think that's mostly for things like traffic tickets and the like. I think something like this might be beyond the scope of RPI usually provides.</p> <p>However, I'm not sure how willing RPI will be to back these students. This isn't the greatest PR for the school and it sometimes seems like PR is what the current administration cares about.</p> I’m pretty sure RPI provides some basic legal services, but I think that’s mostly for things like traffic tickets and the like. I think something like this might be beyond the scope of RPI usually provides.

However, I’m not sure how willing RPI will be to back these students. This isn’t the greatest PR for the school and it sometimes seems like PR is what the current administration cares about.

]]> By: maureen http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-14 maureen Fri, 04 Apr 2003 20:23:04 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-14 <p>I really hope that RPI backs these students up also... :-/</p> I really hope that RPI backs these students up also… :-/

]]> By: garrett http://raoli.com/2003/04/03/riaa-strikes-rpi/comment-page-1/#comment-13 garrett Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:32:51 +0000 http://www.raoli.com/?p=40#comment-13 <p>yeah, the entire thing is just too pathetic for words.</p> <p>btw, completely unrelated, but you might want to put some kind of indication of who the heck you are on the front page of your site, as i had to dig a bit to verify that the eric larry linked to was in fact the eric i actually know ;-)</p> yeah, the entire thing is just too pathetic for words.

btw, completely unrelated, but you might want to put some kind of indication of who the heck you are on the front page of your site, as i had to dig a bit to verify that the eric larry linked to was in fact the eric i actually know ;-)

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